We at @Vivaldi continue to be the only browser company all in on Mastodon and the Fediverse.

We have made our own instance, Vivaldi Social. Any user that has a Vivaldi account for sync or other services, can easily enable a presence on Vivaldi Social.

We have integrated Mastodon as a Web panel into Vivaldi.

We include links to Vivaldi Social into Vivaldi.

We also work on integrating our blogs and forums into the Fediverse.

We hope others will follow. Mozilla has talked a lot and we hope they will join us fully soon.

#Vivaldi #browser #Mozilla #Linux #Windows #Android #iOS #Macos #fediverse #Mastodon

@jon@social.vivaldi.net

It would be awesome if you had a Misskey server. Mastodon does not allow you to import and export your post, but Misskey does.

I am using Shakrey, which is a port of Misskey.

@Linux

I think we focus on #Mastodon. The beauty of the #fediverse is that you can have different servers that can interoperate. We might add more servers in the future, but then they would be servers with a very different focus.

@jon @Vivaldi

I suppose I'm curious if you'd really welcome Chrome and Edge to a Fediverse environment, the way you're speaking to Mozilla. Especially as Mozilla walks back from their Fediverse investments.

I would wonder at an incentive structure that would make Fediverse a good idea for Microsoft, Google, etc. In a sense, it could be a way for them to pull influence away from a competitor, i.e.: Meta

I also wonder if Microsoft would ever want to allow federation for LinkedIn.

@jon I'm a bit ignorant technically, but Vivaldi doesn't seem to check many boxes like other browsers do: https://privacytests.org/

@pgiulan

This page is made by an employee of Brave.

@louiskhor @Vivaldi

I guess I am not expecting them to join, but overall ActivityPub is a standard and everyone is welcome. Now that does not mean that everyone would federate with them, but that is another story.

@jon good to know, but it doesn't look like their browser comes out on top either. Librewolf, Mullvad, and Tor seem to.

@pgiulan

I have not looked into it so much lately. I just do not consider this a good source.

@jon @Vivaldi Thank you for supporting the Fediverse. I'm also curious if the fact that Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser can may make you guys vulnerable if google makes a bad turn in the code. Suffice to say I'm not an expert on the matter, so if you have a FAQ somewhere about that, a link would be very much appreciated :)

@berniethewordsmith @Vivaldi

Thanks. A stronger Vivaldi will be able to have more of an impact on Chromium. At this time we do edit Chromium for stuff that Google adds that we do not like.

@jon @Vivaldi Great news, especially about the blogs. I already use Vivaldi as my goto browser. I will consider switching to vivaldi.social if you bring your blogs to the fediverse. A federated Ghost alternative with newsletters would be great. Write.as offers newsletters with WriteFreely, but only on their paid service.

@gisiger @Vivaldi

Our blogs are in fact federated. Have a look at this one:

https://social.vivaldi.net/@tips@tips.vivaldi.net

Hi @jon@social.vivaldi.net, big fan. Thank you for mentioning your community forum in your post.

As NodeBB moves toward a more stable federation/ap implementation, it is my hope that the Vivaldi forum would be one of the first to join the fediverse!

@julian

We agree there for sure.

@jon @Vivaldi I tried Vivaldi for the first time tonight on Linux Mint and I'm blown away. It's genius to include email, calendar, notes, RSS feeder all in one. By far, the most customizable, and privacy-driven browser I've ever used. I just installed it on my Android phone. #vivaldi #browser

@unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

Great to hear that!

@albi

It is great! Community is growing!

@jon

What is the character limit for posts on the Vivaldi instance?

@Vivaldi

@ratcatcher @Vivaldi

1337.

@unchartedsandbox @jon @Vivaldi
"It's genius to include email, calendar, notes, RSS feeder all in one"

Funny, that was pretty much Netscape Communicator, which was replaced by the much faster and leaner Firefox, while the other parts became Thunderbird.

Personally I would prefer a browser only Vivaldi, but I believe that the other parts are mostly a bunch of Javascript that is only loaded when used, so doesn't hurt nearly as much as back then.

@leeloo @unchartedsandbox @jon @Vivaldi

I run Linux Mint, too. I haven't been able to run Mail/RSS on Vivaldi, because the cpu usage goes sky high and doesn't stop. I tried it on an email address I have with very little mail on the server and it still did this. I'm surprised to hear another Mint user enjoying it.

@ajlewis2 @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

Have you tried the latest release? It is surprising to hear this. Would love to work with you to figure out your problem.

@jon @Vivaldi

You're doing great things Jon, and the longer Mozilla takes to embrace the #Fediverse the better it is for #Vivaldi.

But there's some glaring misgivings here that are often raised by people. Half the #Fediverse isn't mastopub - you should really consider replacing that icon in the panel with the Fediverse Logo, or even the ActivityPub Logo instead of the one you've currently got in that sidebar - It's quite misleading, and people who prefer using the more full featured and capable Fediverse platforms such as Friendica, Mitra, Socialhome, GoToSocial, Takahe, The Pleroma and Misskey families of forks, smolweb Fediverse platforms like Bovine, SNAC, Tapir, and many more, ... These stalwart #Fedizens and #Privacy_conscious people shouldn't have to look at some exclusionary elephant logo that completely misrepresents and dismisses the fact that the masses of these people don't even use that platform.

These Fedizens most certainly should not feel forced into being pigeonholed into an association, in front of others, which implies that they use masto.

Here's an example of what our diverse world of #DeSoc's #Fediverse_Logo looks like - that elephant thingy really only offers an homage to one single platform, losing user market share more rapidly each day, in favor of a better and more complete user experience with superior networking facilities.

Wishing you and the team all the very best, and looking forward to seeing the #logo in that sidebar that more accurately represents the community at large, and is also much nicer looking :)

I hope you continue to shepherd the trailblazing innovation that Vivaldi has shared and introduced, and join now with the trending wave of sites replacing that tired old elephant graphic for either of the logos that more closely and accurately represents the unifying inclusivity and diversity indicative of the residents in our Fediverse.

#tallship #FOSS #Privacy #ActivityPub #Diaspora #Nomad #OStatus #ZOT

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@tallship @Vivaldi

Thank you for your kind words.

Just to be very clear. We believe it would be great for the #fediverse for Mozilla to launch their instance. We believe it would be good for us as well, as we want the Fediverse to grow and that is our number 1 priority.

With regards to our panel, it gives access to our Vivaldi Social Mastodon instance. If we were to offer some other server or link to some other specific instance, we would use that icon instead. Users are also able to add any instance as a Web panel.

@jon

I do have the latest and will give it a try later after my coffee does its magic! Thanks, Jon.

@jon @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

Okay. I tried running Mail and CPU went to 110% for a couple minutes with an account with very little mail on it. I set it back to no mail, the CPU did not go back to normal until stopped Vivaldi. On restart it is normal again. Here is what I have in About:

Vivaldi 6.6.3271.53 (Stable channel) stable (64-bit)

Revision 9bc0253dc7c6d57292697b26e13e6579916e51bf

OS Linux

JavaScript V8 12.2.281.23

User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.0.0 Safari/537.36

@ajlewis2 @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

Did you prefetch mails? I think the initial load can be a bit while messages are being fetched and indexed, but that should stop after a short while, depending on the size of your mail accounts. In my case it can take a while, with more than 1 million mails.

We continue to work on reducing the initial load, but it is mostly related to building the database for fast search in your email.

@jon @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

That was why I removed big accounts. I don't know what prefetching is. I'll look into that, but I'm sure I did not do it.

@ajlewis2 @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

OK, if you did not enable it, that is fine for now. That will just make it heavier as it then would fetch the full mails and index them and not just the headers.

How many mails are you fetching? What is the spec on your computer? Do you have an old disk maybe?

I am sure we can improve on the indexing. Just trying to understand what the issue is on your computer. Pretty sure it is just a question of time before it finishes the task. There should be progress information in the status bar giving an impression of how things are progressing as well. The initial phase can be a bit heavy, but it should slow down when the initial setup is done.

@jon

I'll get back on this later when I can run it and look at the status bar. Also get the info on how much mail.

I did turn prefetching off which put CPU down to around 100%--not much drop.

I have a pretty new disk.

CPU:
Info: quad core model: 11th Gen Intel Core i7-1165G7 bits: 64 type: MT MCP smt: enabled

@ajlewis2

That is a powerful computer. I would wait until it is done. It will be a bit heavy to start with, but it should not take too long. Again, the progress bar should help there.

@jon @ajlewis2 @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi
An old disk would reduce the CPU load, as the CPU would spend more time waiting for the disk.

@leeloo @ajlewis2 @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi

True, that can be the case for sure.

@jon

I have one email on the server. So, not big. 🙂

I got my thumbdrive for LinuxMint and started it up. I installed Vivaldi on that and tried Mail with that same mail account. No excess CPU use. Status showed a problem with the database and a disconnect from the mail account. I restarted Vivaldi and the mail ran like a champ.

If you want me to try anything else, I'll be happy to try. But I'm not all that needy of the Mail, so no need to solve this for me right now.

Your interest is really appreciated and the Vivaldi product with tiling has been a game changer for what I can do one of the things I do with my time.

@jon @ajlewis2 @leeloo @unchartedsandbox @Vivaldi just a regular case of a CEO giving direct tech support to users, practically the industry standard

@jon @Vivaldi Jon, I tried Vivaldi a year ago while researching if I could leave MS Outlook 2016 without too much trouble. Vivaldi seemed great at first, with its all-in-one PIM suite- calendar, email, contacts, tasks, etc., but its inability to import my Outlook or Android contacts (vCard collection) was a deal-breaker. Also, the tasks functionality was limited at the time. When I saw the Vivaldi Mastodon panel view, I was excited to place my own Mastodon.GameDev account there, but not possible

@jon @Vivaldi I eventually settled on Thunderbird 115+ and LibreOffice 7.5+

@jay @Vivaldi

Importing from Thunderbird should not be a problem, so that is easier to test right now.

You can add any Mastodon account as a Web panel. We just add ours by default.

@jon I thank you guys for allowing unfetter access to the whole #fediverse and providing a kick-ass instance to go along with the best browser in the known universe*, @Vivaldi!

(*best for me, YMMV )

@jon @Vivaldi - is there a link to explain how the Mastodon web panel works?

@tchambers @Vivaldi

Basically it works like Mastodon on mobile. We include the Vivaldi Social server, but any other server can be added as a Web panel and will work well.